# Craps Place Bet 6 And 8

Diceguy
• Alternative betting pattern: \$30 on the 6 and 8 each, along with PL/come. The truth of the matter is that the 4, 5, 9, and 10 place bets are really bad bets. You're expected to lose a little less than 3x more on the 5,9 vs the 6,8 and 4x with the 9 and 10 (buying is equivalent to placing the 6,8).
• For example, never take insurance in blackjack and never bet the any craps or any seven in craps. Exceptions can be made for insuring life changing amounts of money. I start with the Dont-Pass and lay the 4/10 and wait for a point to be set to lay odds on the Dont-Pass. Then Place the 6/8 with another bet on the Dont-Come.
• This video covers a craps betting strategy called the Place craps 6 8 for beginners. This strategy is part of my craps for beginners series. It covers the pl.

1) Placing the 6 and 8. Consider a \$6 place bet on the 6. There are only 11 happenings out of 36 in this universe that produce a decision: 5 wins x \$7 and 6 losses of \$6 for a net loss of 1 unit. Having bet 11 X \$6 the loss is 1/66 or -1.51515%. However, consider a \$6 place bet on BOTH the 6 and 8 simultaneously. Now we have a 16 possible game.

This is a simple question (I think) related to odds of winning on a particular place bet. My typical move is to start a roll with \$10 or \$12 place bets across on the numbers. My playing buddy does the same except he places \$30 on each of the 6/8. Does either one offer a long-term payback? My contention is that the former system is better on a cold to warm table, and worse on a hot table. My friend says the latter is always better. Your thoughts?
Ayecarumba

This is a simple question (I think) related to odds of winning on a particular place bet. My typical move is to start a roll with \$10 or \$12 place bets across on the numbers. My playing buddy does the same except he places \$30 on each of the 6/8. Does either one offer a long-term payback? My contention is that the former system is better on a cold to warm table, and worse on a hot table. My friend says the latter is always better. Your thoughts?

If I understand your friends bets, they are \$10 each on the outside numbers and \$30 each on the 6 and 8 for a total of \$70 or \$90 depending on the point. You will have \$52 or \$54.
Since all the bets have negative expectations, neither offers a long-term payback, but bigger, faster losses can be expected by your buddy, since he is exposing a larger wager to the negative expectation each roll.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
Romes
Hi Diceguy, welcome to the forums.

...Since all the bets have negative expectations, neither offers a long-term payback, but bigger, faster losses can be expected by your buddy, since he is exposing a larger wager to the negative expectation each roll.

This is pretty much your exact answer. BOTH you and your buddy are playign a losing game, so neither 'betting scheme' has any 'long-term payback' other than losing your expected value in the long run. Your expected loss will simply be a bit smaller than his expected loss since you're betting less thus exposing less money to the house edge.
Check out the Wizards page on the basics of craps, and hopefully you'll get the idea of the house edge associated with each bet:
https://wizardofodds.com/games/craps/basics/
What it comes down to is: Whomever is betting LESS is going to lose LESS in the long run... but either way playing a game with a house edge you're both going to lose in the long run.
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
ahiromu
You have your answer, if you're betting on the same numbers, the one who bets more money will traditionally lose more in the end. This, of course, is thrown out the window if either of you press at all (this question, ultimately, depends on your betting patterns, since I highly doubt you both flat bet).
Alternative betting pattern: \$30 on the 6 and 8 each, along with PL/come. The truth of the matter is that the 4, 5, 9, and 10 place bets are really bad bets. You're expected to lose a little less than 3x more on the 5,9 vs the 6,8 and 4x with the 9 and 10 (buying is equivalent to placing the 6,8). This is significant enough to avoid - I traditionally go through my bankroll 2-3 times an hour, so it can add up.
Stick with placing the 6,8, buying the 4,10, and/or pass,come with odds. The house edge is likely to show itself in the form of smaller than optimal wins. So yes, you will have good days either way you play, but your wins will tend to be 'short' if you are wasting money by placing the 4,5,9,10. That said, play how you want, it's your money. Unless you start betting the big6/8, then it becomes a question of sanity.
(In the nicest way possible) - Drop the hot/cold/warm table talk, they do not exist. The dice do not have a memory and everything is random. Embrace the randomness.
Its - Possessive; It's - 'It is' / 'It has'; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - 'They are'
charliepatrick
Technically you're better off playing Pass or Come and laying the odds. However assuming you want to restrict your bets to Place bets the next best method is to place the 6 and/or 8. Suppose you did this and your friend bet all the numbers. On a bad day you could be unlucky and all the rolls seem to be 4,5,9 and 10 without any 6 or 8's. However on a good day they'd all be 6 and 8's. In the long term betting 6/8's loses least.
Similarly whether you press your bets will affect matters, you make more on a good day but lose more on a bad day.
pwcrabb
Hello Diceguy
Best Wishes placing your box numbers. If Big Red stays away for a while then you may win some money. Here are some suggestions:
1. Emphasize the Six and Eight. They are more likely than the other boxes, they should contribute more to your overall revenue profile, and they suffer from less probabilistic disadvantage.
2. Buy the Four and Ten when you are able to make bets of \$25 or larger.
3. Buy the Five and Nine when you are able to make bets of \$50 or larger.
4. Do not increase your bets until you have fully recovered to your rails the total value of your spread. Doing so will require five hits, so just say 'Same Bet' until after at least the sixth hit.
5. Intend to take your bets down. There is no need to inevitably lose your investment capital for each shooter.
'I suppose I was mad. Every great genius is mad upon the subject in which he is greatest. The unsuccessful madman is disgraced and called a lunatic.' Fitz-James O'Brien, The Diamond Lens (1858)
Ayecarumba

...5. Intend to take your bets down. There is no need to inevitably lose your investment capital for each shooter.

## Craps Place Bet 6 And 8 Oz

Rather than fleeing, choose a place bet 'limit', (e.g., a number gets pressed to \$1.5 or \$3k). After it hits, lock up a chunk of cash by 'resetting' all the place bets to 2X the original base bet. Then run your pressing progression again. Doing this allows you to continue to cash in if the 7 doesn't show. Hopefully, you can run the cycle a few times.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci

When I’m gambling at the casino and playing craps, I love the place bet on the 6 and 8. If I’m not playing for the camera, I’ll typically bet about \$12 max on the place 6 and place 8. If you see me place betting more, then I’m doing it for your entertainment.

I see this comment all the time in my craps videos, paraphrase, ‘why don’t you put a few hundred on the 6 and 8 place bets instead of odds?’

## Craps Place Bet 6 And 8 X 10

I’ll present this argument for why I do not make such a play: any time a player fails to max odds on the point of 6 or 8, and makes a place bet instead, that player is effectively betting the Big 6 or Big 8.

EXPLANATION OF THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8 BET

To make the Big 6 or Big 8 bet, the player places his chips in the area marked Big 6 or Big 8. The Big 6 and Big 8 bet is a self-service bet, meaning that the player makes the bet on his own.

The Big 6 and Big 8 are two separate bets. The player is not required to bet both the Big 6 and the Big 8. A player makes bet one or the other or both. For example, here is a bet on the Big 8 only…

Once the player has made his or her bet on either the Big 6 or Big 8 or both, the player will win if the corresponding number, that the player bet on, rolls before 7 rolls.

For example, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win, whereas if the 7 rolls, the player will lose. A win will pay even money. Therefore, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win \$3 because the player bet \$3.

If 6, 8, or 7 does not roll, then the shooter will continue rolling until a 6, 8, or 7 rolls. The Big 6 and Big 8 are multi-roll bets.

If this win-loss condition sounds familiar, that’s because it’s the exact same win-loss condition as the place bet on 6 and 8.

ALMOST NO ONE BETS THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8

If you watch my videos, you’ll almost never see anyone betting the Big 6 or Big 8. I’ve looked for it, and I’ve not seen it. The Big 6 and Big 8 bets are horrible bets. The vast majority of craps players know it, which is why almost no one ever bets it.

As much as I play craps, I see someone betting the Big 6 and Big 8 maybe once a year.

The Big 6 and Big 8 make no sense as a bet because for the exact same-win conditions, you can give your money to the dealer and be paid more money for the exact same win-loss. A \$12 bet on the Big 6 pays \$12, whereas a \$12 bet on the place 6 bet pays \$14. With both bets, the bet wins if 6 rolls and loses if 7 rolls.

Even if the player messes up and bets \$10, the place bet is still better than the Big 6, in the above case. A \$10 place bet pays \$11, versus \$10 payout for the same \$10 Big 6 bet.

Bottom line is that the Big 6 and Big 8 are bets relegated to the player who is a noob and has no idea what they’re doing. It’s such a bad bet that Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to offer it.

Las Vegas casinos are phasing it out because almost no one bets it. Here is a picture of a bet that has been introduced in lieu of the Big 6 and Big 8 bet…

Hopefully, I established to you that the Big 6 and Big 8 are horrible bets. But, did you know that when you are making a place bet, you are effectively betting the Big 6 and Big 8?

## Craps Place Bet 6 And 8 Months

THE PRACTICAL EFFECT

If I told you, hey ‘bet your money on the Big 6 or Big 8’, you’d tell me that I was crazy and didn’t know anything about craps. You would tell me that the Big 6 and Big 8 are a stupid bet that pays EVEN MONEY when the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning. That’s why no one bets it.

However, let’s think about the place bet. Let’s say you make a place bet on the 6. You bet \$60 on the place 6. A win would pay \$70.

If it were an odds bet, you would be betting \$60 to win \$72. You are missing \$2.

If you think about it, you made a \$50 odds bet, and then you made a \$10…Big 6 bet. Why? Because the \$50 pays \$60 and then the \$10 pays even money. That’s how you end up with \$70 payout on a place bet. The house ‘confiscated’ the extra \$2 as a fee, which is how the house derives its house edge.

If the player makes a place bet of \$6 on the 6 and \$6 on the 8, the same effect remains. The house pays true odds on the \$5 portion of the bet and then pays even money on the \$1 portion. So the house treats the \$1 as if it were a Big 6 or Big 8 bet.

You might say if you can’t just make a naked odds bet. That’s true when neither the 6 or 8 are the point and you are trying to access the 6 or 8 via the pass line or come bet. There’s a cost to the odds bet in that you must make a pass line bet to get to the odds bet. If you bet \$15on a 3,4,5x game, your expected loss is 21 cents on that bet in the long run. Remember, you will win 8 times automatically on the come out roll, so that offsets the disadvantage after the come out roll. That’s why over the long run, you will lose 21 cents for your \$15 come bet (note that if the table minimum is less than \$15, the expected loss is less).

However, 21 cents is still cheaper than \$2, which you would be missing from your \$60 come bet.

So, do you want to pay 21 cents or pay \$2 for the same bet?

CONCLUSION

If you insist on making place bets on the 6 or 8, at least max your odds on the point of 6 or 8 before making a place bet. I’ve seen many players decline max odds, and instead place bet the opposite number. For example, if the point is 6, they will take less than max odds on the 6, and then load up place bets on the 8. The player in that case, is better off, in the long run, not place betting the 8 and shifting the place bet 8 money to the odds on the 6.

Alternatively, you are better off in the long run trying to access the 6 and 8 by making come bets and then taking odds on the 6 and 8. This strategy works better if you take odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 10. If you decline the odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 0r 10, then you must do a loss analysis and compare your play versus simply place betting. Also, this strategy works best on a table with a higher odds multiplier, and you are willing to bet the higher odds multiplier.

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